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Tayson: Here's the big question, how do we live a life? full of adventures, travel and memories on our terms without being millionaires without previous experience? And without unlimited amounts of time, that's the big question and this podcast will give you the answers. I'm your co-host Tayson
Dave: and I'm Dave and you're listening to the Live Ultralight podcast powered by Outdoor Vitals. Hey, everybody. Thanks for
Tayson: joining me today. Today we are live on the podcast. We are also live on YouTube for this particular episode and we are going over the pilot episodes for the Live Ultralight podcast. If you missed episode one, you can go back and listen to that on the podcast platform of your choice. This is part two of these pilot episodes are going to be diving a little bit more into Outdoor Vitals, the brand, the story. How it got started. Dave's going to be kind of, interviewing me. Also, if you missed part one, you'll want to go back and listen to that to learn a little bit more about, Dave, his backstory and just kind of where he came from West Philadelphia. So also with that though, I did want to quickly mention that we did, do a giveaway in part, one of this pilot Series. So if you missed that, make sure to either stay tuned to the end of this podcast where we'll announce it again or go back and listen to podcasts. Number one for that opportunity to win for the first few people. I mean, I don't know how many people are going to respond to this but there's like 50% odds to win something. So make sure and listen to that or stick with us to the end for that to be now. So with that being said, I'm going to go ahead and turn the time over to Dave and he's gonna kind of interview me and talk a little bit about Outdoor Vitals. And maybe why would we want to do this podcast, where we're going in? 2019, things like that?
Dave: Yep. Awesome. So, for most even that do not taste in and follow YouTube but our backstory you kind of know the business aspect of how the podcast how the business started and how it revital started. So hopefully, with this particular episode, we'll find out more about tastings back. Story his personal history, things like that, just not as business-oriented So you get to kind of know him as a person and the brand kind of more family-oriented. So with that being said, Let's just get a little bit about your backstory. We grew up how he grew up. Did you grow up? Traveling adventuring and if you did maybe some experiences along the way.
Tayson: Yeah, So I grew up in a small town 7,000. People is actually the big town around there. I thought I was from the big city because everyone that was in the surrounding communities were, you know, Farmers things like that. And So, they would come to my city to go to the grocery store and eat out, you know. So, I grew up thinking I was from a big city, but regardless, it provided a lot of opportunities to spend time outside. So, I mean, me with my friends with my family, I was just always outside of his riding bikes around or Scooters or building jumps or Exploring. Some Red Rock Canyons that were near my house. You know? Find a little alcoves and pretend like they were home for a day. Just things like that. And that's just kind of how I grew up. My, my family, they were, they were actually Hunters. Fishermen. And we would, we would be up on the mountain. I'd say almost every other weekend, parents have this little tiny camp trailer and most of the time, me, and my brother thought it was too cramped in there. So, we would sleep outside. And I spent a lot of cold nights out there, but just love love the outdoors, despite that I also was did some boy scouts. I'm an eagle scout. So I I did that's kind of actually where more of my backpacking came in. I spent a lot of time, you know, riding motorcycles and four wheelers and doing day hikes and stuff like that. But did a little bit more backpacking and that style of camping through Boy Scouts
Dave: So how would you compare Cedar City where we're currently at to Richfield? And for me, I would say I'm actually from a big city about 5 million people. Philadelphia. But how would you compare Richfield to Cedar? Just So maybe I can put that into perspective.
Tayson: Yeah, So I'm actually, the reason I feel like I really like Cedar City is it's a, it's like a bigger version of the city I grew up in and in fact people around here often compare Richfield to what Cedar was you know, 30 years ago. But what I like about it is both cities have a HomeTown feel you can get to know like a lot of people in the community, a lot of, I mean, you just see familiar faces, you get to know people and So I really like that aspect. But a cedar, has the Richfield, didn't is, you know, more places to shop. Eat out, you know, find more entertainment, a few things like that. But the biggest thing that I love about both cities is within five minutes or less. I can be hiking a trail out of the city doing something outdoors.
Dave: I guess. That would be my next question, too. Like, what are some of the benefits of? Outdoor Vitals being based out of Southern Utah and having all the parks and things like that. Right out of our back door.
Tayson: Yeah, I would say, the biggest thing is we can find people that to work for us that are that are very outdoor focused that are reminded. It can be a little bit harder because we don't have as big of a pool to draw from. But the nice thing is we can like everyone in the office. Like I would say, almost every week when I get back into the office I can you know, talk to the team and say, hey, what you guys do this weekend? Yeah, I want snowboarding. All right, or alright, hiking or biking or a random designs with some friends that were visiting or all sorts of things like that. Where I just feel like we get a lot of opportunity to get outdoors. And while we might not have, as many people to look at for hiring purposes, Um it's a great place to be and we can test our product, a lot. I feel like just because we can test it almost daily instead of like go on one big trip and make everything around that one picture.
Dave: Yeah that for me I love where we're at right now. You can go 40 minutes and you can ski you can drive another 40 minutes south and you can mountain bike and it's it's sound like in the winter. Yeah, exactly.
Tayson: Temperature drops are raises a lot.
Dave: It's amazing that the different, you know, geological rocks and everything like that is is amazing.
Tayson: If it's too many people become you.
Dave: Yeah, that's what I tell my wife. My friends come to visit. I'm always like, all right, now I'll go back to the east coast and tell everybody about this. So growing up, what about some some traveling or something like that, that you might have experienced. So I really didn't travel much out
Tayson: of Utah. Growing up farthest, I went was like Disneyland in California and I was pretty much like, straight down street back when the beach, like, one one day or like half a day, So I didn't really travel much in the Way of that. But I did spend a lot of time visiting lots of parts of Utah. And So what actually got me hooked on traveling was when I was 19 years old, I went and served an LDS mission in Malaysia and in Singapore. And when I went there, I just fell in love with the people fell in love with the culture and like the Landscapes, the rainforest, just different aspects of like holy cow. Like as much as I love seeing all of Utah in the Dynamics there. Like, there's a whole world to explore and that like I came back from that experience and was like, man, I want to travel the world. Now, I want to see all these different parts of it. Nice. So what's kind of talk about
Dave: Giving back to with that, I know that's part of, you know, here and Outdoor Vitals. We like to give back one percent of sales and things like that. And we recently gave 40,000 dollars to to charity water. And how did that organization and travels you know, to this you know, the Asian things like that. How do they correlate together?
Tayson: Yeah So I would say that when I went to Malaysia I probably I'm going to grow up in America just with that mindset of like you got to watch out for your own, your part of you know you're American and his kind of I don't know. You start to build up some mental walls. I would almost say with these other countries and when I went to the other countries and I you know fell in love with the people and made friends and in saw what? What they lived through is kind of like man. You know, they're fantastic people. And the only difference between them and me is they were born here and I was born there. And So I kind of quit seeing seeing the world and in those different Fashions of you know, American non-american or whatever it was. And I started to feel like man, you know, I have such opportunity like like I would look at these people like man, they wouldn't know what to do. If they worked a five-day work week, they wouldn't know what to do. If they had like healthcare, just things like that. And So I came back from Malaysia thinking, you know, I wanted to figure out a way that I could apply myself into places like that. Fortunately, you know, when I was in Malaysia, I got to spend a lot of time, educating people and helping them in those regards, but also their organization. I was with they did a lot of things like clean water projects and they all. So, like I saw him, you know, give away like, 50, wheelchair into a community and we got to, you know, see those who go into home. And I just kind of finding that bug of like, man, you know, we can, we can make a difference. The other thing was, I spent a lot of time for particularly with Charity water. I spent a lot of times in these people's home, They're very, they're very giving and So you get in there and they want to make you, you know, juice if they have it or they give you water and crackers, and most of the time we we couldn't drink them because the water sources that they had were not clean and for us. I mean it was it was Super risky to make a sick and for them it would make them sick too but they were a lot stronger with it and they had a lot of deaths that I contribute to water but they didn't really know what happened because they went to the hospital, they didn't really get definitive answers. You know what I mean? So, You know, they would drink it, but we would often not, we'd even have to watch for ice cubes because sometimes they filter the water but not the ice cubes. Just things like that. And So, we're constantly worried about that. And So, when I got in touch with Charity water and I watched actually, their, their founder speak and go through the whole process of how they keep, you know, rent, and marketing money separate from like, what we donated, how that goes, straight into the country. And he talked a lot about the health aspect and how So much of the health and these countries is, is contributed. Like comes back to just the water. And that made that just made a ton of sense to me, because there was just dirty water everywhere. And So I saw a way for us to have a huge impact on communities all with Wells like Welles once they're dug they can contribute water for very, very long time. And So I want to contribute any money that we do donate. I want it to be, you know, long lasting sustainable. I want to donate something men, it's going to be very short term, it
Dave: definitely like that's one thing for me at least traveling you don't realize how good you have it and you see some of the way, you know, other people live and So me and my wife was just talking about. Like, I feel, Worn in the United States. Like you you kind of one you already started you the life Lottery, you kind of already hit that and So I'd say my next question is you see a lot of Brands kind of giving back now and what would be one of the challenges like being kind of a smaller start, it doesn't necessarily be a challenge but like a pro and a con of being a smaller brand versus a larger brand, like things that we can and can't do. Compared to the north faces and the patagonia's of the world. Yeah,
Tayson: I mean a lot of those companies they started similar to us and they had to grow through a lot of stuff that that were going through ourselves but It's really, really popular for companies. Just go out and raise money and start anytime you raise money. And start, you get to look at things 100% different than than We get to look at the things, you know, if they need new hires, they just go hire them. If they want to do things a certain way, they just go do it and they kind of see what happens essentially. It's kind of like the difference between like, I don't know. Growing up is easier to spend your parents money than your own money but you earned right. Yeah, it's easy to spend venture. Capital is compared to your own money in that fight. So I'd say a big con for us is we can't act and grow as fast. We can't like make big rash decisions quickly and like, You know, have put a lot of risk out there essentially but with high risk and high reward. So there's some companies that started almost similar time as us that are Massive massive companies but you know they raised like 32 million dollars and and they've done things like that. And So that's the con as we can't. We can't have as big of an impact as fast, but I'd say the pro with it is. You know, you look at Patagonia versus, let's say the North Face Patagonia is still privately held and the following, they have the impact they have the culture, they have is tremendous compared to say, the North Face, which is, you know, more investment owned now. And in that, that's kind of how I see us is like it's going to take us slower growth, but we're going to make better decisions. So we can get to focus on 10th of the short-term. And and if you have a day, our shareholders aren't investors. Are shareholders. Are those buying from us? So, there's pros and cons other Pro. I would say, just just real quickly is, you know, we started this company Four and a half. Five years ago, and There's been a big learning curves. You know, this is my first company, a lot of these other companies out there. Maybe it's their fifth company but this is the one and only company for me I I'm not gonna like let this go under which means there's some learning of all for me. But you know there's there's a lot of risk but there's a lot of reward
Dave: too. Yeah. And I think also it's nice to, you know, being able to adapt on the Fly and things like that. Here for the two years that I've been and just different different things that you can kind of switch up and where bigger companies, you know, they're planning two, three years out and things like that. I like the the, you know, lean side of what we're able to do here.
Tayson: Yeah, we we essentially if we find something we want to change we can change it on the spot. We're not committed to a Year's production of it. If we were a retail based company, we would have to produce the same product for an entire year. Then make The switch. But a lot of these companies, like you said, they've got two or three years out already booked. So when we find a new product that comes to Market, like let's say, The Loft tick installation, we can release it So much faster, than anyone else, because Advantage. Yeah,
Dave: sure. And then with that being said, where do you see Outdoor Vitals heading in the future? 2019, will say 2019, maybe Beyond but the some future goals that you have for Outdoor Vitals or where you kind of see
Tayson: the brand had. Yeah, So that's been definitely a part of the learning curve is, is dialing that in and I'd say, the last year and a half two years, we've been spending a lot of time, kind of internally. Reflecting and figuring out exactly who we want to be as a brand. I feel like we always knew but maybe our messaging wasn't clear enough for people to understand. We talked a little bit about like, price. We talked about price too much and So people started thinking we were a budget brand. And So, over the last two years, we've we've been able to really dial in on who we are as a brand. And So, going forward for us, I mean, we're really doubling down on that live Ultra Lite, which means We're you know, we're part lifestyle but we're definitely still. Extremely outdoor focused. Really focused on the Ultra Lite aspect, which means as a problem. On our product lines, not everything has been ultralight in the past. So we're we're literally letting those products fall off of our our catalog. They're going to be disappearing and we're going to be redesigning things for instance, like these backpacks right here, there are great backpacks but they're not light enough to be considered ultra light and they don't fall in our brand anymore and So they're eventually going to be going away and we're going to be replacing those. So that's part of kind of some of the changes we're doing. I don't know, I feel like there's So many changes, it's hard to like nail him down, but I feel like I feel like we've really found our voice in the last like two years found our stride, we've learned a lot of lessons and now we get to focus on what we really want to become. Whereas honestly from the beginning there was a time when it was literally like hey we got a we got to like sell stuff just to become a company and then it's like once we got to that point it's like okay now let's morph it into what the long term Vision always was which is what we're finally getting to really Implement right now.
Dave: I mean, I know something you're excited about, I'm excited about and maybe you can speak about, you know, maybe new Partnerships and manufacturers and things like that, as we kind of move forward and where you see that going or the direction that we're heading in.
Tayson: Yeah, So in the very beginning, I had no Connections in this industry. I just had a vision and what I wanted to see happen and what I wanted to help people. And So very, fortunately, there are very first manufacturer has turned into a great partnership, but as we grew, you know, we started bringing in more manufacturers and different things and they were good. But the thing is, we didn't want to be good. We wanted to be great. And So the more we've grown, The more I've worked on relationships and getting into, you know, different Partnerships. And So, I mean, even just recently like with with a lot of jackets and some other stuff we've got in the pipeline, we've essentially moved up that ladder to where we're now working with with great manufacturers. Best top top in the world type manuf. Um, those wouldn't have been available to us before but we've just kept at it, kept working at it and now those are available for us. So it's really exciting to see. Like we're gonna be turning out Some of the highest end products, you know, anywhere in the world. And, and that's really exciting to me. That's what I always wanted to do, but it took us a little while to build and build and build and get here. So if you are listening, you've been a follower for a long time. Like I just want to thank you guys. Like, you guys have done a lot for us and you've made it possible for us to be a direct to Consumer brand. Producing the top tier of products.
Dave: Yeah, definitely. I would say people that have been falling around last few years are going to be really excited with the next year, too. Some of the products and Just different things that we're coming out with. I'd say that's probably on the The Branding and Outdoor Vitals. I guess we can pop back to, to you personally. Do you still have time to get out and, you know, adventure and things like that? I guess I'm curious of work life, business type balance. And that's something, you know, that we've talked about here in the company. And hopefully, what we're going to talk about on this podcast and stuff like that is kind of balancing your work life balancing still getting out and adventuring and I know you have some some shows some trade shows and things like that coming up. But do you still have time to do that? And would you like to do more kind of speak on that a little bit?
Tayson: Yeah, you know, balance is a, is an interesting word. I mean, everyone talks about balance, they strive for balance, and a lot of people they believe balance is like Eight hours of sleep eight hours at work eight hours at home like that. Right? And for me personally I don't I don't believe in that level of balance. I believe that when you're working in and stuff, your passionate with sometimes, there's going to be imbalanced, but hopefully over the long term, it creates more of that balance. I don't think you can create anything great by being perfectly balanced. So, I would say, in my life, I'm kind of a roller coaster sometimes a balance. So, for instance, if I have it my way, I typically work really hard during like the fourth quarter and the first quarter of the year. And I start getting out a ton in the spring summer and a lot in the fall and there's weeks that I might only work. I don't know, I'll say work, 20 hours like in the fall but really, I'm not testing gear still working kind of because I never really get to leave that behind but you know, and January or December or something like that. I might be put in 670 hours a week. And So it's not always in Balance, but I think that that the end result is always good. So I've I would say like, work on a is easier for me to balance, like, getting out, I guess work doesn't interfere as much with me getting out as I would say just, you know, like like balancing the family aspect in there, too. So I've got a little kid. I've got another one on the way. And I've got a beautiful wife. So there's all these things that are that are kind of tugging at you. And So, it's been a little bit harder, since I've, like, a really young kid, but we still got a lot. And I would say Yeah, nothing super significant happens in your life living in Perfect Harmony and balance. But overall, I would say, I still get out. Probably more than 90% of people, it's just maybe yeah, and I and I can kind of, I get to fluctuate that a little bit just With the job that I do.
Dave: Yeah. I mean and I feel like we get to get out for working here and we get to get out on some, some company trips and some influencer trips and things like that. Is there any anywhere you want to go in 20? 2019. That's really, you know, sticking out to you.
Tayson: Yeah, I was just talking to someone about that. And I would say for our company trip, which is probably like the most intense hiking I get to do typically I'm still looking like the Wind River range in Wyoming like to pick out kind of a path up through there and spend some Spin up there with the team. So that's definitely one of my on my bucket list for this year. I don't know. There's there's a lot of Peaks that are kind of outside of Utah. Now that I'm looking at others, there's the Tetons there's some in Colorado 14ers. So but but I think right now I'm probably gonna most towards getting into the Wind Rivers and then some time back in there. I I absolutely love it when I can get into like pristine Backcountry where alone and more like, Like, get away from the crowds and So that typically means I'm going in farther and true true Wilderness. Yeah, true Wilderness
Dave: definitely up there.
Tayson: Yeah, I like to get past where like the day hikers can get and that's where I'm like. Okay, this is this is amazing. When we were in the ins last year, we were up there like almost 100% alone because of the season and time that we decided to go. But Man, that's that's what I remember is, you know, watching the sunset up there, when there's no one around, you're watching moose, you're watching animals. So anytime I you know, things like that and I think the Wind Rivers true Wilderness. Yeah,
Dave: I think we saw like two people and three days or something like that. That was that was awesome. That was really good. I mean I think from from a personal point of view I guess that would be all the questions that I have for you. Today.
Tayson: Yeah. No. I hope that covers a lot of it. I think. Personally, I think a lot of our followers know me pretty well. You'll get to know me, you know, more as we do more podcasts and videos as well, I'll probably be a lot more personal on the podcast. Yeah, kind of pull back. Another layer of things videos. Tend to be a little bit more scripted, they're definitely more scripted than a podcast. This podcast is much more Gonna be a lot of.
Dave: Yeah, and I think it's good. We can, we can let people know what's going on and things on the Fly and, you know, just about the brand about the company and things like that. That's what I think is exciting about the podcast. If you know, every week we can, you can say something, what's going on, or keep you guys up to date or in the loop or even if it's you know a trip that we go on as a company or individually come back and kind of share our experiences. What went well, what didn't go? Well potentially well.
Tayson: Yeah, we can really dive into that deeper. I feel like and really dissect it. Yeah, I think the other thing I just point out here is, you know, we talked a little bit about where the company is going this next year, and just in the future, We're Not Gonna necessarily like unveil products at this time or different things, but I will say, if you stay tuned to the podcast, you're probably gonna figure out what's coming in the pipeline. A lot of times. We have got some big plans for this year.
Dave: Yeah, I mean, you could even talk about how you just came back from some San Francisco and some different. Yeah, if you want
Tayson: people posted, but I was just meeting with What I consider the the greatest fabric supplier in the world and their Japanese company that they're level of detail and Innovation as it's just that matched anywhere else. And So we got to go in there. That was my first time really going to their facility meeting them talking about different things and it went really really well. They're excited to work with us. I'm excited to work with them. We got to look at some some Really fabrics. And then the cool thing about like, getting into this conversation with with companies is we get to also kind of dive into their Rolodex of
Dave: yeah. So the connections and
Tayson: They've got a partner factories and So when you're working with top tier fabric suppliers, you know, that these same companies only work with top, tier manufacturing facilities. So that's, that's really exciting. And what's, what's also really exciting about? This is in the very beginning, you know, it was like, okay, I want to sleeping bag. Get that for me. Whereas now that the farther we go into this, the more it's like, okay, I'm sourcing the down, I'm sourcing the Fabrics, I mean, even like talking about the thread in the Fabrics, I'm talking about, you know, we're getting deeper and deeper and deeper, or control more and more of it. We know more of where every single part of every piece of equipment is coming from. obviously we walk the factories I was just in China in December, walk in factories going over manufacturing talking about different things they get to you know some of these factories were actually big manufacturers with them now and So we could have a lot of say, you know, I get to say Hey you know we want your employees only work five days a week when they're working on our products and hopefully that goes Most the time it does for them, they were working five days a week unless they're busy. So they said, but you know, we can lay stuff like that down, which is really exciting. But I love that we're working down, the supply chains and our relationships are getting bigger. And Just going to turn into better products moving forward for us. So yeah, and I would even say like I get some
Dave: questions a lot too. About, you know, maybe products that are changing and getting rid of some products and replacing them with new products and things like that. So maybe even can speak on how that that process goes with maybe getting rid of some products and getting some new ones and updating and kind of how that potentially goes.
Tayson: Yeah, I would say, you know, part of us really doubling down on ultra light is all just taking an internal perspective, on every piece of gear we have and saying can this be lighter? Should it be lighter? You know, how can we make that happen? And So You really like we've already kind of introduced that with the atlas backs, the atlas zero degree, hybrid Loft, Tech bag, we're essentially, you know, outing our budget and down bag and I and our synthetic bag and we're doubling down on this high. Premium synthetic bag with a little bit of down in it, which is, which is really, you know, it's raising The Bar Next Step for those two products. But then, then you look at like our Summit bags and it's like, okay, can we do anything different with the summit bags? And there are some changes we can make with the summit bags. Look at the Fabrics. We can look at the baffling structures and So we can really start picking apart products like that. And those are just two examples of many. But yeah, we're putting every every piece of gear under a microscope and and you will see us slowly, you know, make those changes. Unfortunately, we do have, you know, we're I would say we're understaffed. I would think you would understand.
Dave: Yeah.
Tayson: And So, Sometimes things take a little bit, a little bit slower, but I will say, you know, if you follow like a big brand, maybe they can move faster sometimes than us. But if you if you kind of follow along with us, I think you're end result's gonna be better and you're just working with the company that I feel like cares. You remember a figure?
Dave: I would say, two, you know, we genuinely take the feedback to heart, you know, you email in message in leave a comment like that. That's We are small team and that's something that we can easily. Discuss amongst us say this person thinks this or this might be better or whatever like that's So going back to, you know, a pro of being a smaller brand like we can listen and change on the flyways. Like you know, these big Brands. I don't really think they're taking Iraq.
Tayson: Yeah. Like I legitimately have talked to handle suppliers recently and if they're moku's are too big or their lead times are too long, I just say no. Like there's no way we can get around that because that is a core competency for us as a brand, is to be able to make changes like that. So you use feedback. To make smaller more frequent orders, things like that, like, that's something super important to us. And So, we build that into every stage and I think people would baffle at the fact that like, you know, how many times our customer service staff just Me direct question where you think there'd be late, you know, in other organizations, there's all these layers and instead it's like hey what's going on with this? And I can give immediate feedback, but also the good thing about that is I got the feedback from you of, hey, there's potentially an issue here. Like that's that's one of the best parts about being a direct to Consumer businesses. There's not that retail store in between getting all the feedback and not pushing it back up to the company. And So we get super direct feedback in the form of reviews or emails or messages. And we get to apply it just as fast as we possibly can.
Dave: Any more. I guess that's it for me. I don't know. I don't really want to hit on or
Tayson: I think that's pretty good. I would say let's just let's just wrap this up. I hate talking too much about the company without trying to provide value and hopefully, hopefully we you know, the value you get from this this podcast is that you put your trust in us and that That pays off on the trail for you that you're gonna get better products from us. Like that's that's the end goal of this is that's how we're contributing to you. But let's just let's just real quick. Think of I don't know. What's the tip you would give like in the winter. For people to either, get out more or have more enjoyable experiences.
Dave: I mean, definitely, what you're wearing planning for the particular occasion. I would say that that's a big one for me. It's just like, you know, yeah, you look at the you look at the weather but you're not less. Like people aren't looking at. Is it sunny, is it cloudy? What's my elevation things like that? That's a big one for me. Like, do I have the right gear? Do I have the right layering? Things like that? So, I should take a winter backpacking class now and every Wednesday we go snowshoeing and things like that and that's a big one for me is just layering I could be You know, gaining thousands of feet of elevation and I'm in a t-shirt, but 20 minutes before that at the car. You know, I have my big winter jacket on my long johns insulated pants, like things like that. I'd say for winter backpacking, I would say be aware of a lot of the surroundings. Son. Also, like the humidity. That's another big one being from the East Coast. Like, you know, you're 20 degrees on the east coast and 20 degrees and Southern Utah. When the sun's out is like night and day. So I said that, that's a big, big one for me. It's just prepare with with layers when you're out winter. Recreating.
Tayson: Yeah, I really like that. I'm gonna kind of build on that for my advice for today. I would say, I personally like to buy three season stuff, especially if I can, only buy one item, which means that in the fourth season, You know winter it gets harder to use that but what I my advice with that is kind of what you said of layering. So if you have a good summer jacket you know and it's a real good summer jacket. Most the time that can be a good winter jacket with additional layers on top and in the winter, you never really know like, like the temperatures can can change So much more than I feel like in the summer months, like you might have one night that's, you know, 32 degrees. And then the next night could be zero degrees if it starts blowing cold air from the north and Utah, you know? And and So having the ability to layer is really good. But if you buy good three season gear, typically, if you just add another layer or something like that, you can use the same three season gear. So hypothetically, if I bought a 15 degree sleeping bag and add a 50, you know, a roughly, a four hour value pack. And there's there's some minor changes you can do to make that work in the winter, which would be go to Walmart and buy like a closed cell foam roll out pad. And put that down underneath your for our value pad. Your, you know, you're maybe more comfortable air chamber pad, And boom. You know, you've increased your r value. You know, to your value, make it a winter pad for 20 bucks, and then you're going to bed. Well, you sleep with, with just your PJs on or whatever. If you can get used to sleeping in your jacket, if you get used to sleeping, you know, and some of those different things. Then you can, you can stretch that, that three season bag, well, into the fourth season. So, layering, is your friend in the winter? And I think that if you, if you do it right, you can stretch a lot of three season gear into the Four Season. If it's good quality here.
Dave: Yeah it's I also go to bed, you know, get your calories, have nice Reese's cup before you go to that that's my candy of choice. Another one that I think I'm going to start experimenting with two is using the quilts with the the bag. So layering your bag itself. I mean, obviously, I have the luxury of using, whatever gear I want here. So that's something hopefully. Can get in me. Personally, I can get into the negatives up on the mountain and be able to use a zero degree bag and maybe layer it up or something like that and kind of experiment with the quilt. And yeah,
Tayson: that's something. I wish that we had more videos out about but taking like a 30 degree down top quilt which would be a great summer setup but then pairing that with almost anything and the amount of worth of that provides and with the pad straps I mean it just it just Will hug over the top of you. And I layered, what time I took a this before we had to talk took an Airy and a mummy sleeping bag. And I got in the mummy sleeping bag and I pulled the Airy up and around me and it was cold. I mean, it was Colorado 11,000 feet in November and I was camping near my car. So I got two bags and this particular situation and I was just kind of testing things out and I mean I was cold. I would like I feel like I got a 20 degree bag and I wanted to put the area 20 around it. And I'd say, within 30 minutes, I was just crawling out of that thing, you know. So if you had a 30 degree top quilt, And even a three-season bag or a four-season bag, I mean you can easily get in those lower temperatures but then also you've got more custom ability in the summer months to choose. Yeah right
Dave: exactly. So
Tayson: I like that advice that we are really ought to talk more about using top quilts as a modular
Dave: Atoms, I'll give you my feedback in a couple weeks, hopefully got the Brian Head Peak. It's like 11,000 feet up
Tayson: to 12. I think up there.
Dave: Yeah. And I think I'm gonna take take to the top quilt and Sumit 0 and see snow cave.
Tayson: I think that'll be good feedback for the podcast. So, all right, So let's go ahead and wrap this up. Hopefully provided some value let you know a little bit about where we're going in the future. Real quick, we are doing giveaway on these first, two episodes, these pilot episodes. What we are asking you to do to be interested in the giveaway is simply leave us a review on whatever podcasting app you of your choice. So iTunes Stitch or whatever it is. If you do that, we are giving away either a pillow. So one of our stretch Ultra like pillows, these are two and a half ounces, it's got a stretch fabric on them, really comfortable. We'll give away either that or a little, like, t-shirt Or a take less Seymour t-shirt. Like I'm wearing right here. It's just got some mountains and this is take less Seymour. So if you win you can pick one of those three prizes. And the way that we're doing this, is that For every 20 reviews, we're gonna wait 10 products, but we're going to cap it at 30. So let's say hypothetically somehow, we got 60 reviews on these First episodes and that would mean we'd give away 30 products, but if we start to go over that, we're going to leave it at 30 products. So I don't think we're gonna get 60 reviews. But if we do if we, I mean if we don't that means you got a 50% chance to win something. So make sure to leave us a review, iTunes or wherever subscribe. Yeah. And then just make sure you subscribe. So, you know, when we're coming out with things, do we know what our next episode is going to be?
Dave: What are when
Tayson: let's go with what
Dave: I think? Maybe, maybe Sean or Devin would probably be the next
Tayson: ones. I don't know exactly, which one of these is a through hiker, and one is basically a YouTuber that just lives Outdoors, testing gear, and travels you travel and kind of killed it. And yeah. So that's a look forward to either talking through hiker or a full-time outdoor professional. So, with that, we're going to close up this podcast. If you're listening on YouTube, make sure to jump over and subscribe to us on our podcast and leave us a review. And we'll catch you guys later. Keep living ultralife.
