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Tayson: So here's the big question, how do we live a life? full of adventures travel and memories on our terms without being millionaires without previous experience? And without unlimited amounts of time, that's the big question and this podcast will give you the answers. I'm your
Dave: co-host Tayson and I'm Dave and you're listening to the Live Ultralight podcast powered by Outdoor Vitals. On today's episode, we're joined by Ryan Scavo Ryan is a photographer, freelance writer, Outdoors woman, and proud Mountain. Mama who sat down to talk with us about how to incorporate Adventure into every aspect of your life. Including Parenthood she gives advice on, not giving up the outdoors while expecting how to continue adventuring as a family by setting realistic goals and expectations for taking the little ones along. She also talks to us about how to inquire used gear and what works best for outfitting, her children. So, let's welcome mine to the show.
Ryan: Hey, So I live out in Southern Colorado and I'm a freelancer and I have a wild day job with the government as well, but grew up in Pennsylvania, played outside a lot. It was kind of, I feel like, saying, back in the day for the 90s, you know, it was a long time ago, but at the same time isn't but, you know, the days when come home in the street lights, come on. So play outside a lot as a kid and then in college, I thought I wanted to take pictures and make movies, but I realized I really loved playing outside and So I kind of switched my degree up and did some Park management and focus on taking kids outside as well. So then we moved to Colorado in 2014 to kind of pursue that more outdoor bass, Sunshine, almost all year, round life. And So, I've lived here, since 2414 got a couple of kids, a three year old boy, almost three, three, four months old, excuse me, four months, old daughter, a couple Of cattle, dogs and my husband.
Dave: Very nice and your husband's pretty pretty adventurous as well. Correct.
Ryan: He is. Yeah, So I met him. Shmunes ago, actually back in high school. And So he kind of got me exposed to a couple of the things that I really loved doing and kind of took it from there. And So, we get out a lot. We're trying to expose these little ones as well, and they love it, too.
Dave: Awesome. One of the main reasons, we thought you'd be a good fit on the podcast was, you know, I know you personally and and following you on Instagram and social media and things like that. Just you do a lot of adventuring with children. So that's kind of what we wanted to talk about on today's episode is just how you find the time to get out with with children and what challenges you may potentially faced with that?
Tayson: Yeah. I feel like a lot of our listeners have those type of questions me particularly, I have that type of question. I feel like I've I've got a two year old now and I've got another one on the way, and more than like in the work more than probably finances on. For me, is probably figuring out better ways to Adventure with a kid, especially a wild. One is mine is So, yeah, I'm definitely interested in any kind of tips and tricks you can give in that regard. And I think our listeners will will appreciate that as well. Cool. Great. So going off of that, just a little bit. Like do you feel like the kids have actually slowed you down as far as getting Outdoors?
Ryan: I think they've changed our pace. Yeah, it was, you know moving out here. We had a couple of dogs and even before then living in Pennsylvania we just had a couple of dogs and we lived on a farm and we went and did whatever we wanted. But yeah, having a couple of kids changed the pace. You got to think more and plan a little differently for it. So yeah, but it's not a bad thing. It's just changed it a little bit.
Tayson: Right.
Dave: I guess what would be some, some examples of that? Yeah. So with our first
Ryan: son, our first child, he kind of had this thought of, you know, I'm not gonna slow down and then he arrived and I realized, okay, I gotta switch this up a little bit. You gotta bring different gear. You'd have to think ahead a little bit more whereas, you know, my husband and I would load the dogs and a couple of bags in the car and just go. Now it's like, okay, we have to make sure we have the diaper bag. We have to make sure we have a change of clothes. We need to kind of plan ahead, a little bit more. We're still relatively spontaneous, but we have to plan ahead a little bit more.
Tayson: You think that you had to stop some trips altogether or do you think it's just more of the plannings?
Ryan: Yeah, I think we had a stop certain things, you know. I do. Like a weekend bike packing and paddling trip with some folks and it's like, well, I'm nursing a baby right now So I can't really leave for that extended amount of time. So yeah, I mean some some trips. I've had to say send me an invite next year maybe that would be nice.
Dave: Yeah So on that like adventuring as you know you're you're nursing or your pregnant. Is that does that slow you down or what would be some advice or someone that maybe is pregnant and they still want to Adventure?
Ryan: yeah, I would say most importantly don't listen to the naysayers, you know, So often no matter what we do outside, whether you're a pregnant woman or a soon to be dad or just a girl or a guy or anyone trying to get outside, don't Listen to the naysayers, you know, especially when you're pregnant. You know, your body before you were pregnant, You're Gonna Learn what your body is while you're pregnant and you're going to learn again. What it is after you're pregnant because it's this ever-changing piece of who you are. So I would say, most importantly don't listen to the naysayers, you know, your limitations, you know, your abilities, just kind of go with it. Um, I think I'd also say, don't slow down too much, right? So with my first pregnancy, I didn't stop skiing at all, I love skiing. I like downhill skiing. I like Backcountry skiing. I also love just cross-country touring, but the way I skied definitely changed. I wasn't, you know, hugging Cliff not that. I do that normally, but I wasn't as aggressive downhill skiing, as I would have been if I wasn't pregnant and said I toured more, we still did our annual Hut trip. I still went in the backcountry seven, eight months pregnant, and and skied, which was nice. Another thing I would say is just pay attention to your body drink more, eat more and kind of listen to those cues, right? So, you could still get out, you don't necessarily have to slow down too much. Just remember some of those those little bits and pieces, listen to yourself and drink any, it's really important. You realize it more and more. Yeah, I think that's the baby comes
Tayson: I feel like that's really good advice. I am just throughout my life, I've done it the outdoors in different ways and I guess what I found is like, maybe before. I, I really wanted to go farther or faster or different things like that and and as I've gotten older, I've changed certain aspects of it. And I find that I still enjoy the outdoors and just different different ways. So I, I think that that's super interesting and I'm sure that you're not like, oh man, I can't go off this Cliff or whatever skiing, you're still like, man, I'm still on the slopes, since it's still great.
Ryan: Exactly. You're still getting out, you know, and it's the same when you're kind of planning a trip. It's like you have to take a different different perspective on it. If you're gonna bring the kiddos along,
Tayson: So you take the kids skiing at all.
Ryan: We do. Yeah, my husband is a much more confident skier than I am to be completely honest. And So he'll ski backwards with our son. He he got his first season pass this year, which is awesome, and
Tayson: he's like three, right. That's
Ryan: So he's a little Ripper. And then with, with Abby, my daughter, we just put her in like a pole behind Cherry it with a ski attachment and I'll just pour with her which is easy and it I think it builds my strength.
Tayson: Yeah. That's probably safer than putting them up higher in a backpack right? Where they could fall farther and you fall
Ryan: you know I think it depends on on kind of what your perspective is on it. You know Forest is in a backpack. A lot of the time on hike and different things. I've never I'll carry them on Hikes, but I won't carry on skiing. It's, I mean, they're in there, we've done a dawn, kind of a dawn patrol last season, my husband had him in the backpack, we skied up Wolf Creek, which was really cool. Our local mountain out here.
Dave: I see you guys do a lot of cross-country skiing as well with the little pull behind sled and he seems like he's still get out a lot even with with the newborn
Ryan: Yeah, I mean, I think it's who we are and So, you know, we wanted a family and we we know that we want to expose them to these kind of things and So yeah, let's get getting them out with us, is, is really important and So, yeah, we have the, we have a sled, we have a chariot, we have backpacks. We have front carriers to kind of have all of the, the gear to get us out there.
Tayson: Yeah. But before we dive into the gear, because I think there is a lot on the gear side. Um, do you think that the kids enjoy it at this age? Or are they like man I want to go home or like, what's your perspective on that side of things?
Ryan: Yeah, it depends on the day. So with my son he's he's all about downhill skiing. When when we say we're going cross-country ski, he's like oh you know, let's it's kind of a bummer. He gets much more soaked for for downhill skiing and for biking because we have these little ski attachment for his bike and So he'll snowbike. But with my daughter and she just she passes out, she'll fall right asleep once I start moving. So, I think she's enjoying it. But I mean, and then there's days where we put forest on the Cross Country Skis, and he goes about a quarter mile, half mile, and that's why we have the sled with us, too, because he's done. He's totally checked out and he's ready to just kind of hang out, be outside, but not use the Cross Country. Skis.
Dave: I would say to that too. Like before we get into the gear, what would be? one piece of advice for someone that maybe this is their first Time taking their kid or kids on an overnight camping trip. What would advice or what piece of gear do you think would be The best for helping someone transition into into that phase. I know. I don't know if you still have it but yeah, like a rooftop tent and I don't know if you still use that or if that's beneficial or whatnot.
Ryan: Yeah yeah. So on the on the kind of prep Piece for. I have a lot of opinions but as I think any parent does, after a couple years of this, I think setting realistic goals and expectations, right? You have to, you have to go into it with the right mindset and have your head in the right place. You know we want to we want to base camp and hike a 14er the next day. Okay. Is that realistic? Maybe not. Maybe we can hike to The Gulch before the 14er and have an awesome picnic lunch and look for Pica and that, you know, So, setting realistic goals and expectations. I think comes above any piece of gear that you might want to take with you, but gear wise, Ah, starting from the basics. When we think about ourselves getting outside, right? We gotta start with with dressing ourselves and that's Abby in the background. Sorry, she has something to say too, we bring lots of lots of extra layers for the kids because diaper blowouts are real and accidents happen. So thankfully, our son is out of diapers. But you know, they say that those freeze-dried meals, they affect everyone
Dave: altitude.
Ryan: Yeah, he had a fair share of blowouts for sure. So bring lots of extra layers and clothes and that's kind of my second piece. But yeah, when it comes to the Gear side, I definitely like the rooftop tent for kids. We have a tent that seats for and and that's been nice because it's So fast and it keeps us off the ground and it's also something kind of cool. Like the kids get to go into this different space. That's not just a tent on the ground, though. My son would have a tent in his room every day of the week if he could, but yeah. The rooftop tent has has been pretty cool with the kids because then, we can, we can go anywhere, and if it's dumping rain, it's okay. We just pop it up and we're good to go. We don't have to find a dry spot on the ground, which is nice.
Tayson: Yeah, it does add definitely some convenience factor, I think and I think it definitely be cool as a kid to be climbing up into like a treehouse type.
Ryan: Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, he gets pretty stoked.
Tayson: So one piece of gear that I find particularly hard to outfit, my son with is gloves. I feel like I don't know how to keep his hands. Warm, like he is, it's a struggle. Am I missing something? Or is that just a constant battle?
Ryan: I think, for a lot of parents, it's a constant battle? I think. So, our kid is he's Tough on some levels but then he's So easy on others, he loves his gloves. We have this hand-me-down glove that has a full length zipper almost from like the tip of the fingers down to the wrist and that lets him see his hand where it needs to go. And then we could zip it down and it stays on, So that's been huge. But then, you know, my husband is like I'm getting my gloves on. Are you ready to get your gloves on? But he's like yeah. So making
Dave: it
Ryan: this costume.
Tayson: Well and like, I guess part of it too like getting him on is definitely a battle. But I feel like you know for for older people you can find some high-end nice quality stuff and I think for kids probably because it's getting replaced So often or So frequently. I think that there's not many companies making premium kid gear and it's hard to justify. I mean, even us as a company. It's really hard to just find anything like that we hardly make enough stuff for women to be honest, but kids is like a whole different element in my missing something. There is their brand out there or areas to look to get, maybe slightly better gear to outfit your kids with.
Ryan: Yeah you know we again we had hand-me-downs we got a pair of the Kinkos and you can mix them you know, some kind of waterproof on the outer but really his hand stay warm and relatively dry we just bring two pairs along So he could swap them out. Those have been really Helpful in keeping his hands warm and relatively dry. I don't remember the name of the zipper ones. But if you can find the full zipper, those are made out of like a ski pants material. So they have some waterproofing to him, too.
Tayson: Well, that that's a point. I haven't even thought about to be honest, a lot of times and I'll just kind of go off on a tangent here for just a second, but a lot of times people like take dry down for instance or hydrophobic downright, a lot of people will pay an extra 30 40 50 dollars to get down with with that waterproofing on it. But people also don't realize that for about 10 dollars and some time and energy, you can actually wash your own waterproofing into down. And Do that. And and that's actually the same thing goes with synthetics. Nick waxes is a great company that has products. You can apply to a handful of things So you can wash synthetics with one certain type of wash and then you can also waterproof it. It's just a total wash in waterproofing, So that's something I personally hadn't even thought about doing for for my kid Atlas. But I definitely gonna look at that in the future because I mean some of his gear is good but just even adding that coating could could take it to that next level for him.
Ryan: Yeah, absolutely. Get you outside a little bit longer. You know,
Tayson: totally. And
Dave: then what Vice do you have for I guess? Kids outgrowing their stuff do you? I heard you say, hand, me downs and and things like that. Do you, you know, go to thrift stores, or do you buy a lot of things new or some advice on on, I guess premium gear, but that you have to get every six months.
Ryan: Yeah, yeah. So our, our friends, thankfully and we live in a pretty small community and like the middle of nowhere. So don't we don't really have any good thrift stores to get second hand stuff, but our friends have kids and lots of boys in the community and a few little girls. And So we've we've been given a lot of hand-me-downs that way, but we went on a larger City Craigslist. So if you're willing to make the drive, you know, Denver Craigslist was awesome. We got our Chariot with all of the attachments skis, the bike piece, like everything we needed for a third of what it would have cost us to order it from like an online store. Go to a big box store and try and find it. So the second hand piece, Is big but sometimes you sometimes you do need to buy new and and things like base layers. I tend to buy new because I feel like kids just wear the heck out of bass players which is awesome, you know? So once we get them, they're kind of pilled up and they have a little life left, but we have gotten new ones gifted to us. And we buy new base layers more often than not.
Tayson: Can you find base layers for kids that, you know, aren't caught in or something like that?
Ryan: Yeah, So a good friend of mine back in PA, she found a wool based. Lair very soon because her daughter, just screw it, but it came from. Yeah, yeah, it came from somewhere overseas, but it's like a legit wool soft base layer and then, you know, Patagonia makes the synthetic caffeine stuff for kids that you can get online.
Tayson: Yeah. And and just for our listeners, the reason I ask is if you don't know already, if you get something that's caught in, if you get that wet moist whatever. It's really really hard to dry out and especially for kids, they're going to be in the snow. They're gonna be running around jumping in it. I mean they're just gonna get wet like that and if they're in Cotton you know, you just start the count on timer before they're freezing and you're going to have to turn back. So if I find something else besides cotton, I mean the saying is caught in kills So obviously on the extreme side. But I, that's why I just kind of asked about that.
Ryan: Yeah,
Tayson: those of you that don't know and we should have mentioned this in the intro and I'm sure we will. But if you do want to see some of the stuff that Ryan is doing right outside on Instagram or why outside is her handle and So like, if you want to see like her Chariot or different things that she's doing, That's a great place to to do that. Let's let's switch just a little bit. I feel like we've done a great job. Talking more about the kids side of things. Let's talk just a little bit about like your career and how you're able to, to experience the outdoors as much as you as you can, you mentioned that your freelancer, you know, how did that come about and how to, how are you able to one? Get the time for kids and then two get the time to to go outside. And is there any advice that that there might be? You might be able
Dave: to give to people. And I think Ryan to you can definitely mention your blog. And that's, that's really useful. I was just on it and I see that you've really been updating it and things like that. So I think a lot of people can check that out and find a lot of useful information there.
Ryan: Yeah, totally. Yeah, right outside.com that's. I've been trying to kind of build the blog up a little bit because for me it's kind of talk about the blog piece, first tasting. And then I'll just Um, for me it's I like I like to write stuff down, I still kind of keep my leather journal. I write down different things that I want to remember in a different way. Or it's, you know, I want that close at hand. I don't want to scroll through something, but my blog, I've been using to kind of document some of our adventures and tidbits for getting out with kids because, you know, Before it was tidbits for getting out. And now, with the kids on top of it, I just want to kind of share our experience. It's fun. And then for the other places that I get published, I kind of shoot links to that So that it's all kind of interconnected. So that's a right side, cam piece. Taste. Would you say?
Tayson: I was just I just want you to talk a little bit about how you're able to balance kind of work and and your passions like what you do right now and maybe how you got there.
Ryan: Yep. What's balancing. So we're
Tayson: I don't believe in Balance personally but I still use the term. I probably should change that.
Ryan: That's like safety. It's a frame of mind. Really. So yeah, I have a day job and and that day job is not freelance Freelancers. What I do on the other times of my life, right? And So we kind of consider ourself Weekend Warriors at this point and really, most of the time outside of college we've just been weakened Warriors. You gotta do your nine to five and get it done and hopefully you enjoy it. Like I enjoy it but then getting out on the weekends is kind of that's that's my goal and in the evenings in the summer because longer days that's my goal in life to balance that took on more. Job. I started doing freelance So I can share this stuff. You know, I started, I've always been a fact, you know, passionate about photography. It's it's again like it's what I wanted to go to school for but then I shifted my perspective a little bit there but I really love photography and I really love writing. And So I just kind of connected with different folks. Different companies different Publications to say. Hey I use your gear or I want to use your gear or I have this trip planned. I want to write about it. I want to shoot it. What do you say? And So it's actually through my freelance. I kind of I kind of build my stove a little bit right. For getting out because there's, there's a little bit of incentive there to hopefully produce something that people can use, but also just getting the kids out, you know, getting myself out. I need that. It's part of me to I am. It's the air, it's the water, it's who we are, right? But yeah, that's freelance helps. In that one
Tayson: thing, I just want to touch on there because we get people every single day. Wanting free gear, right? Like their email and they're like, hey, I've got this following of 50 people on YouTube and I think they would love if you gave me for gear that type of thing. What is there anything? You might be able to speak at? Am I one of my teammates is going to kill me for even bring this up on the podcast. But is there anything that you would say like hey when you get if you do want, you know, if you think you can provide value to a company or something like that and you want to pursue that anything that you would give it as far as advice and in expanding your freelance stuff. I
Dave: think that's a really good question though because a lot of people I think are, you know, they're they're not in the realm of where there should be to be reaching out to brands for for free things or whatever it may be, they just haven't put the time in and I think people are just enamored with Instagram and they just think that that's that's how it works. So yeah, I think that's a really good question. On some advice or Point people in the right direction. Maybe.
Ryan: Yeah, yeah, I'm nodding my head before I reached out to anyone to say, hey, you've got some product that I'd love to use. Do you want to swap? It was build your portfolio, get out with different gear invested in the gear, in the first place. So you have a Baseline and then kind of touch base with with different companies. You know, having I've got I think I have like 1400 followers on Instagram and I have very few followers on on YouTube because I'm a slacker but I I'm doing social media management for a national company right now. And you're right. These messages come in and I look at these profiles and I'm like, buddy, you're you're photos aren't great. Your your words aren't you know, spot on your hashtags, you're using hashtags, okay?
Dave: And they don't fall in line with the brand on top of that. Like, it's not even the same lifestyle choices, that that brand is potentially going for.
Ryan: Yeah. I think connecting with them on that level. So for me, when I reach out to a company, or yeah, and any kind of any kind of company could be camping, could be fishing, could be, you know, whatever I'm reaching out to them because I've owned their product already. I've bought their product or if they're a new company. I'm curious about their product and if they're like, hey, why don't we give you 20% off, you could buy it, don't don't just, you know, poo, poo and walk away by that product, try it out and then maybe that'll form a connection and a relationship with that company. You know, all the companies have worked with, I have some kind of relationships still You know, I I hit up this guy because we fished together and I and I and I love the products and they have new stuff coming out, how can we collaborate? You know, but cold I mean if you have the guts of cold call do it but make sure you have the platform and the portfolio to back it up.
Dave: Yeah. And I think building those relationships, definitely is more important than anything for us at least. And that's something that we've talked about moving forward, is definitely trying to build relationships with different influencers and just people like yourself.
Tayson: Hey like you've done some work with us and we really need to get doing more. I think you did some work with those before. We got Our current person who's managing that So it's probably someone we could bring back around to you. But I think that's such a good point though, because most of our photography these days it's easier for us to just to repeat work with certain people rather than do one-offs with them with the ton of people. So you may spend a little bit of money to get gear in the first place but I can think of one probably our biggest you know, photography person right now, who's sending us in photos and they initially, Um, bought our product and then they sent us photos of it. And then now we're like super good friends with them. We send them gear all the time we go on trips with them and that all came from them purchasing that product up front and proving their worth. So I I think that your spot on with what you said right there.
Ryan: Yeah, their relationships are key. You know, this industry is smaller than we think, right? And So the other piece I'd say is don't burn Bridges. I've seen people that burn Bridges and it's this heartening because it kind of has a ripple effect. Yeah
Dave: you know you get burned once and then you're kind of like I don't know if it's worth it.
Ryan: Yeah, exactly.
Tayson: Well, I think I think we've covered some really good content here. I don't have any big topics I want to cover. I've got a few quick questions that I do want to cover just here as we start to wrap things up. But is there anything that we've maybe glanced over or something that you want to bring up before I kind of go into some rapid fire quick questions here.
Ryan: Yeah. Yeah, one thing really quick is on the adventuring with kids piece. A your kids are awesome. Get them outside as best. You can even that means if it means just a weekend overnight or start start small, go on the local Trails if you have any or take them to the park, you know, start them small but also your kids are Rad but don't forget your partner right? Like you had kids because you love your partner. I would imagine and you like getting outside with them too and So just having your partner's back is So critical you know we all have meltdowns the kids the adults we all have meltdowns and So having that partnership and and have each other's back that's I've Lessons Learned on my end. It's good to have a solid partner that you can count on for sure.
Tayson: Yeah, totally hey, I can agree with that, I think. I think you're doing a lot of good things there. One thing that I I hear sometimes I am just this is kind of the frame of mind. I'm in. I just Kind of come back from a trade show. I'm just heading out again today to a different trade show. Is I hear from time to time, like like men, let's say hypothetically will come in and look at some gear and I'll be like, okay, what is your partner here need? And Be the wife will be like, Oh, I'm never going out again. I froze my butt off the last time I went and you know, you'll never see me sleep on a tent again. And that stuff like really breaks my heart because I, I'm like, man, you you didn't the the outdoors weren't bad for you is the gear or the knowledge that you had that that really hindered you from being able to enjoy the outdoors. So I think it's really good to touch on things like this for our kids because we want to give them the best possible experience as we cannot doors. I think frequency is super important getting them out there a lot and then also just doing our very best to give them good experiences and clearly you're a good person to talk to you about that and I feel like you've provided a lot of really good advice there. So All right, So two two quick questions to kind of wrap this up. This is this is a cross all Realms don't feel. Obviously I didn't say anything like that but favorite piece of gear. As we talked, we didn't really get too much into the gear. So I just wanted to throw that out there and I'm gonna add favorite piece of cure, you know, that you use. Now that maybe super important while you have kids, Something just a little bit more along those lines.
Ryan: Yeah, fanny packs. Like, I'm a total dork and I love hip sacks. And So I have a couple different ones, I have like a classic Mountain Smith, I have a newer obey a Negra there's another Colorado company. It fits diapers it fits water, it fits snacks. And So it's my grab-and-go. I don't use a diaper bag. I just throw things in other bags because I'm a total self-proclaimed bag lady. So yeah hit Fanny packs.
Tayson: You
Dave: get asked about that. She's always, I just bought a different bag that tastes and gave me home and she could get this problem.
Ryan: I have a problem in a fully embracing it
Dave: back for every occasion.
Tayson: I like that, though. I totally believe in diaper bags, not diaper like purses, So I like that a lot. Okay, So we asked this question to everyone that comes on the podcast, but What do you think holds people back from adventuring with their kids at the time the money or the lack of experience like lack of confidence?
Ryan: Yeah, good question. I think it's a combination of it. All really, you know, having kids throws another layout layer on top of you. You got a plan differently, you gotta pack differently. You have to think differently sometimes. So I think it's a combination of it all, but I also think you can overcome each one in a different way, you know, none of them are So hindering that it would prevent someone in my opinion from getting out. I think, I think there's waste to overcome it.
Tayson: Yeah, and if I'm gonna push a little bit deeper here, I feel like you talked a little bit about money. You talked about picking stuff up around town. Used to talk a little bit about time. How you, how you manage some of that I am going to say, do you think it is experience? I feel like there's a lot of people that they're scared to take their kids out there. Like, you know,
Ryan: I have again really good friends. Back in PA that had been giving us some fun handy down stuff but they came out for our first hot trip with our first son. And the husband is like a ripper, right? He trained, Whitewater, athletes, Collegiate Sports, all of that and does amazing things outside, but when we packed up the kids to go into this hut ski, seven miles with our two little boys, it was like, oh boy, are they warm enough? I don't know if we should do this. You know, there was a little bit of hesitation and concern So I don't think it's entirely experience, you know? It's that's just mine. That's just my opinion.
Tayson: Okay. So So let's follow up question on that. What? What's going to help that person? This this Avatar type person, overcome that and do it more? What's gonna help him? Yeah,
Ryan: just get out, you know, get out. Just like you said, get out of as much as you can. If it's a walk to the park a bike, ride down the street. Get out and and push yourself and just make sure you're prepared. I think I think there's an online community, I think there can be an in-person community and getting more feedback from parents because like I said, we all have a opinion. You're going to have the naysayers. You're going to have the pro. Yeah, you can totally do this but folks So I think also connecting with your community and getting words of wisdom advice that pat on the back saying you're doing it right? You've got this. I think helps.
Tayson: Awesome. Well, I definitely feel inspired after talking about all this stuff with you to go home and get atlas prep and get them outside more often especially like in the winter. It's just So easy to come up with excuses especially with kids and you know, talking with you today. I'm like man I am still in my head with way too many excuses and I'm gonna I'm gonna probably start a little bit smaller and I do do more Day stuff but I'm gonna do it more frequently and hopefully before too long we're doing some some serious stuff with them maybe in the summer
Dave: even get them in the backyard camping out in the backyard.
Tayson: Yeah. He probably loved it. I kid doesn't ever want to come inside from the back.
Dave: I've been trying to get Ryan out here for two three years now. I know, I keep getting pregnant,
Tayson: okay,
Dave: yeah, that's it.
Tayson: I really appreciate you coming on the podcast again, just some great advice. Just real quick. I want to touch again and that you can reach Ryan at right outside on Instagram or right or why outside.com and then you can check out her blog there where there's some
Dave: really good advice there. So is there anything else Ryan that you'd like to touch on or anything else that you have going on?
Ryan: I you know, I'm I'm doing a lot of collaborations on different blogs. You can find all the links on my Instagram and on my website but really if anyone wants to talk kids and gosh get him outside just just direct message me, DM me on there and guys I really appreciate the opportunity to hang out this morning and talk
Dave: for sure. I I really I mean I don't have kids but I really enjoy your Instagram and your Instagram stories and you know
Tayson: He's aspiring.
Dave: Yeah, exactly. Oh my God could do it and I think it's all right. But yeah, I mean, you guys really do truly get out and, and you see it, just follow you and you can see see how active you guys really. Are you in and Sam Cool, thanks.
Tayson: Yeah. So Thanks So much for coming on the podcast.
Dave: You Ryan for joining us today and thank you to all of our listeners, if you enjoyed the podcast, please don't forget to subscribe on whatever platform you use. We're on pretty much every major flat platform. Also, don't forget to leave a comment or review on what you'd like to hear in the future. And that's it. Have a good.
