Tayson: All right, everybody. Welcome back to the Live Ultralight podcast. Today, we are going to be talking about a new product. A new design product. We're going to talk about why we did the design, how we came about, with the designing of the product and then also kind of the application into the real world and just why it's important. So, I've got. Brigham here on the podcast. How you doing today? Brigham doing well. Thank you.
Tayson: Yeah. Anything new man. Anything new going on and around the office or on the home front here and Cedar City.
Brigham: It's early September and it's still really hot. So that's the home front around the office. Yeah, there's I don't know, I feel like there's always that sense of like what's coming ahead and like You know, things that are being developed or worked on or even not just on the design side but just constant. Growth and movement in the right direction as a company. And so, there's always like this. There's this anxiousness and excitement about like, because we know what we're working
Brigham: towards and like what what's coming ahead? But on the, you know, on the product side like Was kind of this. There's a lot. Coming soon that's kind of wrapped up. But then there's also, you know, That also means that. Now, there's gonna be some Projects that just get started. That
Tayson: are exciting too. So Yeah, you're kind of turning the page on having wrapped up a few projects and getting to start on some fresh new bigger projects. So That'll definitely be fun. Yeah, it's interesting. I feel like we're just always excited about the future here daughter vitals and we're always building whether be the infrastructure, whether it be the product base, whether it be
Tayson: You know, we've been expanding our warehouse so taking over additional space and just bringing on more people. It's been a lot going on, and but it's all been good. I think we're just all excited to see it. Come to fruition. I will say that we're We're a little bit. Hindered this year right now, specially with with some effects, going on with manufacturing and covid. So we we don't anticipate that we're going to stock out of much. But I wouldn't wait till
Tayson: the end of the year or what, not to get things if you're expecting to buy them this year. Especially things like me and the shadow lights have been a little bit rough. Those have been just spent an awesome product if you're one of our Live Ultralight members and our membership, And you go into the Facebook membership group, it seems like every other post is about the satellite so that one's been killer that we've had some delays and production factory shutting down
Tayson: to keep workers safe and but but that's just the reality of this year. So lots going on and just always looking forward to an exciting future. So we got some big things, big things, the next two to three months, you're going to see product launch after product launch and just lots of lots of new stuff. So make sure you are staying tuned. We'll continue to do these podcasts where we're Breaking things down and really explaining in detail, the why? And the
Tayson: application and different things of what we're doing in the design and what products were launching and it's been interesting. These are actually some of our best podcasts from what we can tell. You guys just love to hear about, you know, one, why we designed something into the technical details of the product. So that that resonates true to us, in sharing and educating and making sure that you guys know exactly the, the products that you're getting in, that's Essentially exactly what we're
Tayson: doing today. So today we're gonna be talking about a product. We launched just earlier this week, the LoftTek, hybrid booties. So The ra synthetic that's Blended and mixed with it down. As far as the insulation goes and then there are booty. Now, these aren't booties that you're gonna hike around camp with or like where inside of a boot. These are, you know, inside the tent or or non-mobile, I guess you could say type booties that are that are going to
Tayson: be insulated. But before we dive into that, Just talk about like why the heck did we even design these Brigham? What was like, the why behind us being like? Yeah, let's let's design this product. I mean from your perspective I can kind of remember what I was thinking. But from your perspective what what made us get to work on these?
Brigham: Excuse me. kind of like a lot of a lot of different angles and a lot of different experiences or thoughts that come from experiences. and, you know, all some other motivations, you know, like for one, we We definitely are Advocates and promoters of like year-round backpacking, you know, just not, you know, limiting yourself to one season or two seasons or warm weather, but just extending the time that people get out. into you know, the outdoors to go to go backpacking and
Brigham: it's one of those things that I think a lot of people don't like being cold and I'm one of them and you know, cold feet, I think is a very common issue that people have in cold weather is the winter. So, You know, we want to help people spend more time outside more time, backpacking and having awesome adventures. So like that's we feel like it's one little thing that we can add that will increase people's Comfort specialty while they're trying to
Brigham: sleep and just kind of like extend, And or open up more opportunity for people. So explain a little more what you mean by
Tayson: extend. Do you mean like Got a 30 degree, summer quilt. I've got a 15 degree quilt and I'm wanting to push. Farther. Are you saying like this can help you? Not buy a new sleeping bag? Is that what you mean by extend?
Brigham: There's a couple meetings there one. Is that meaning of like yeah like the example you said You know, if somebody has one sleeping bag or one quilt and say it's maybe a for warmer weather, not quite as warm rate warmth rated, as you might want for, you know, colder weather. well a lot of people have jackets, they can throw on, they may have you know some long johns, they can throw on or you know what a lot of people do is
Brigham: just like double up on socks or put on a really thick pair of wool socks which which can work but the socks adding more bulky, wool, socks can get It. Well it can get bulky and it's a little heavier and so so it does extend it in that way. Meaning like if there are people with an existing system and they're trying to be frugal or just more Um, budget aware, you know, to where they don't want to go out and buy
Brigham: an additional sleeping bag. That's You know rated down to colder temperatures than having an insulated basically sock that you can put on that's way warmer than a wool sock. that, that Extends like they're capability their option to go into Colder, Weather with what they already have. For action of the cost, fraction of the weight, and the Heart of the takes up any space in a pack. So yeah, it extends it in that way and then the other way I was just
Brigham: thinking of was just extending people's Seasonality like the time of year or the percentage of the year that they actually get out and backpack. So whereas somebody that's got, you know, the 30 degree sleeping bag, Therefore they just go out in the summer time or in mild weather. Because they don't like being cold, they've had cold feet before. But if you've got these, you know, insulated booties then that kind of eliminates one of those Hesitancy or fears of people have with having cold feet.
Tayson: I remember. So I've used down booties for
Tayson: Oppressive, five years or so. And the very first time I went out and just just so you guys know I'm I'm probably six to now shrunk a little but taller a little more lanky in my extremities, you know, don't have great circulation. I always have cold feet sitting in this office, like my feet feel a little chilled and I just always have had that sometimes, it's because the like sweat and then they get cold sometimes, they just pour circulation. But I've
Tayson: always suffered with cold feet. And because of that, that led me to get a pair of like booties. And and I remember, I took them out my very first time I believe I was out in Colorado in November doing some backpacking. I remember mentally that did so much for me to know at the end of the day that I was gonna have more feet. Like, I could handle, you know, a cold elbow a cold shoulder or something like that. Better than
Tayson: I could handle, cold feet. And that might have been just because my feet were cold all day like walking through snow and stuff like that. That they were just, but to know that every night when I went to bed, I have warm feet did something to me personally mentally, that was very enabling like it. Empowering is the right word, I guess. Helped me be like, oh yeah, I can do this and now it's funny because I talked a lot of people
Tayson: and they'll tell me like oh yeah, I'm heading out to say it's Colorado or up to Wyoming or something. It's going to be November. It's gonna be really cold. I need the coldest sleeping bag you offer. And I'm like, well, what's what's the temperature gonna be? You know, it's getting down into like the teens at night and I'm like and why do you need a negative 15 degree bag or a zero degree bag? You know and they're like well I freeze
Tayson: all the time and stuff like that and whereas my mentality is I'll do those trips with the 15 degree bag. And then, I'll layer up if I need to, it saves me. Wait, usually I'm packing layers anyways. And so rather than pack extra layers and then an extra, you know, Overkill sleeping bag per se all use the Sleeping bag. And then I'll layer up if it's a little bit colder night or so on, so forth. And so I use them for
Tayson: layering, I use them to extend the sleeping bag or quilts range. And then I also use them in the winter a lot for just that mental like, I know my feet are going to be warm a lot of times. This in the winter, you're hiking in snow and your feet, get cold and you get thinking about that. But, you know, your feet can be cold anytime and there's something that's just nice to know about my feet will be warm and I
Tayson: don't know. That's always been a motivator too. Yeah well I mean it
Brigham: So much of what we focus on in terms of as a gear company for backpacking. Know, it's not the majority of what, but it's a significant part of what we do. In terms of gear is like, sleep related and sleep is hugely important for. I mean, just day-to-day health and fitness but especially on a backpacking trip where you are out of the, the comfort zone of regulated temperature buildings, you know, and milder temperatures. So you're you're out of that comfort zone
Brigham: and you're physically exerting yourself more than, you know, the day-to-day in and out of the office. And so quality of sleep is in my opinion, it's usually important for, you know, it's specially
Tayson: multi-day. Well, and we'll talk about this pretty soon on the podcast when we when it comes up. But with like the hard line challenge, those guys that are falling the hard Lane challenge on YouTube. Here in a week or two, we'll start posting podcasts about the Hardline challenge, but elevation sickness. I I strengthened my belief in quality of sleep and elevation, you know, going on high elevation.
Brigham: Yeah, I mean, that's it's You know, proper rest for the, for the body is like, it's hugely important. So, you know, back to the the cold weather quality of sleep, you know, the example you gave of not needing a negative 15 degree bag and using like a 15 degree bag and then I think it helps for people to be aware of, you know, Kind of what's going on when you have cold feet or, you know and and what is it about
Brigham: cold feet? That will kind of decrease the quality of sleep. Well, for the most part, if you're talking about, you know, you feel like your feet are cold and your toes are cold, if you're in a sleeping bag, you're probably Very high likelihood. You're not going to get You know, frost bite your toes aren't going to turn black and you're gonna live, you're gonna wake up the next morning but you'll just wake up having not slept well because that that numbness
Brigham: of the toes that cold feeling of the toes is very distracting. So it's like a logically, it's distracting so you just don't sleep well. So I mean, just that alone and then why does that happen? Well when when the you know the body is Is really good at regulating itself and doing what it has to do to survive, which is the body has to maintain a certain core temperature. Well, in, you know, think about your fingers and your toes. If you
Brigham: stick your arms out or your legs out there, the farthest away from your heart, your heart is the pump where all the blood comes from, right? So, So your fingers and toes already are the farthest away from that pump. They have the least amount of circulation but when your body is cold, it starts doing things to preserve, its core temperatures. So it will even further restrict blood flow or the rate of flow to your fingertips and your toes toe tips. So
Brigham: when it's cold, it starts being selfish to the core, it's starts, you know, holding stuff closer to the core because that's where your organs are. You don't have organs in your fingers and your toes and your organs. Have to stay at a certain temperature to to be alive, right? So that's what's happening is you know, when it's cold, your body is just kind of making sure that it's gonna do it has to say alive. So your fingers and toes. Get cold.
Brigham: So, you know, that's just another part of the quality of sleep
Tayson: to go on with that, too. When you talk about, like, let's say, you're in your tent, and you're like, man, it's really cold. I'm really cold and I want to layer up before I get into my bag. What's the most common layers? You have jackets, you know, maybe pants or something like that. And so you put those on. Well then what you're also doing is you're layering up your core but your feet, you know, you might not have extra items for
Tayson: your feet or your hands or different things. And so then you're getting a disparity and insulation throughout the body. And so I've heard of this like maybe not applied to so much two feet. But like I've noticed this personally, if I put a jacket on But I don't have anything on my bottom half to add. Then I'll notice like my hips or or something will start to get colder in the night. But it's not really that much colder. It's that there's
Tayson: just a disparity. I've got a jacket on and I've got nothing on my legs to counteract, the jacket, or to equalize it. And so, I think that can happen. I think all so, Just like what you're saying, which is essentially why this is but feeder incredibly hard to warm up. If they get cold to begin, once you get in your sleeping bag with cold feet to begin with good luck. Warming them up. Like, it can take hours like if you're just
Tayson: laying there and you're, you know, your heart rate's already dropping, you're probably gonna fall asleep. It could take hours for your feet to warm up. It's usually best case to to do other things to try to get your feet warmed up. Whether that be, you know, a little bit of exercise, a little bit of walking around, or whatever it can be to get them warm before you, you know, get in to go to sleep but they're just They're just difficult to
Tayson: warm up. With just a pair of socks on a specially with just a single pair of socks on. But Yeah, that's kind of just laying in on some of your thoughts, but I agree with with everything you're saying when you do get cold, first thing you get cold is your hands and your feet and you usually your hands, you can tuck up under your armpits or something like that, and keep them warm. And so really first thing for me, every time,
Tayson: my feet but people, and I think we've mentioned this, but people don't always think about the fact that they are literally in their sleeping bags for like eight hours a day, they're always thinking about other things that they may or may not need throughout the day, you may bring a jacket that you're literally wearing for 20 minutes. But you're not thinking about the the sleeping bag or maybe these socks or different things that you would literally have on for eight hours
Tayson: of a 24-hour day. Something to think about, because I think on this last, the Highline and or the hard and the Hardline challenge, I guess, the high line is a part of that. Quality asleep seem to you started to realize how important it is when you're doing big days and just becomes more and more critical. So okay I think that I think we beat up the why I'm going to talk about another story. A little bit later on, about what really
Tayson: pushed me because we kicked around the idea for a long time, it had been requested by Summer's weed kicked around the idea for a long time. And then about a year ago we got much more serious about it. After I got back from Alaska, but I'll share that story a little bit later on. So we decided to design them and go into it. And what what were the thoughts were going? As far as what did we want to create? Was there?
Tayson: Anything unique about what we were creating compared to just what was available right now too? How did you dive into this design process? I guess. Thirdly complicated compared to other things, you design. So
Brigham: I guess that's kind of the point is that you know, instead of focusing on trying to make something whiz-bang or really That. There's just not much to try to kind of create to just for the sake of creating something cool. It was just you know this is a piece that is so simple. The requirements, you know. For it are very basic. You know, it just needs to go on to your feet and keep them warm and very little else. So really
Brigham: we wanted them to be as simple as possible. You know, no Hardware pieces You know, there's just going to jab into the side of your foot or your ankle while you're trying to sleep. Just, I mean, those are distractions. They're added, they'd become something that can attention. Which is really hard if you're just sleeping. Anyway, but you know, we just wanted them to more or less be easy to put on and take off. They want them to stay put on your
Brigham: foot and we want them to insulate all around your ankle, all around your feet and kind of Um, you know, Loft Inward and outward. So we just want to piece that's going to once you put your foot in there, kind of fill all the empty spaces, you know, with the amount of insulation that's in there, the really lightweight Fabrics. So, you know, on top of that, they need to be warm. They needed to be very lightweight. Compressible. One, Thing, we, we
Brigham: do like to do here at outdoor. Vitals play with insulation, we We definitely, I don't know. It's just something we believe in doing. It's all so fun, but playing with different types of insulation and different configurations. So, that was one thing. We thought we could bring to the table, was some of that. Experience. And so that's what we did. We, you know, your what Your the situation when you're wearing these, you're in a very a pretty pretty safe. Situation right now,
Brigham: you're in your tent. You're Should be or ideally you're warmed up. If not, you're in the process of warming up but you're you're protected from the elements now, you're in the sleeping bag or a top quilt but What what can happen for example? What's a great example, is a couple of our more recent more mileage and exertion intensive trips on like the the beaver Skyline and the Uinta Highline Trail. We got soaked at, you know, tree line. So high elevation and
Brigham: just like that perfect storm of wet and cold and for like hours at a time. Well, that Hours at a time of being wet and cold. That really starts to stress your body. And you do notice your feet going cold, and then they're cold for hours. So, It is pretty hard to warm up, wet feet. So we were going to bed like, Taking off, wet clothes, wet everything. And so the skin is damp to the touch and you know, that was
Brigham: kind of a great scenario for for something like like I'm describing where When you're exhausted or you're tired you're just you just want to get in your Refuge. You just want to get warm if your feet are damp and and what and some people, you know? sometimes make the mistake or whether intentionally or not intentionally of like just going to bed with their wet socks on right, or just things like that where they're kind of Stacking. The odds up against themselves.
Brigham: You have wet feet. Your feet are going to be cold but putting them putting wet feet into a down insulation piece. It's not. It's not like risky but it's not ideal. And so we came out with the angle of, you know, we play with these insulations. We have an insulation, that's 80% synthetic, and 20% down. And then a small piece like this, it really hardly gives up anything in terms of like the warmth, the weight and the compressibility, just because it's
Brigham: such a small piece.
Tayson: but it's comparable to or it would test out at like a 60, fill power. If you're to compare straight to a down. So instead of going with like an 800 fill powered down, it'd be like, going down to a 650, fill power, but with no fear of moisture at that point. Yeah,
Brigham: so that's the kind of the, the positive side of this down or this insulation is it's, you know, it's, it's it's full proof when it comes to getting wet. So acknowledging the very rarely like your feet are dripping wet and then you stuff them in a down sock, like they're mostly just damp, but as your body warms up, it's pushing all that moisture away from it. And so, you know that moisture has to go through whatever is covering the skin. So
Brigham: if that's a sock or a booty, that's where the moisture is going. So, and then the other issue that happens, especially in these high moisture environments, the body's wet the environments, wet, the air is wet, it's raining as you get tons of condensation, so Even without you know, the LoftTek hybrid booties on or any other booty on like your feet, your damp. They get inside a sleeping bag, they start the warmth of the body starts, pushing the moisture out, but
Brigham: then on the outside of the sleeping bag is all the condensation coming from just the moisture in the air. Inside the tent outside the tent, it starts dripping down the the ceiling of the tent and and you know, when you're sleep, you can't really control what your body's doing. Most of the time at least I can't usually. So what's happening is, you know, you bump your feet up against the tent. Well, if there's tons of condensation, the foot box of the
Brigham: quilt or sleeping bag starts getting really wet and it can get so wet that, you know, water starts kind of pushing its way through the fabric and A day after day. A chance that some of that insulation of whatever sleeping bag you're using, could kind of start losing some Loft, which means warmth, right? So if it's cold and yeah, you're in that scenario of high condensation, a lot of moisture The foot box might not keep your feet as warm as it
Brigham: did on day one or as warm as it would in a dry scenario. So, Having I mean I'll just give an exact scenario.
Tayson: I don't want to give away too much because this is going to come in on the podcast later. But recently, I did have a trip where The 10th I was using, didn't get an optimal pitch and we got snow and I woke up in the middle night with my seat with the with the tent, it not falling, that it sagged down directly onto my feet. Yeah, you better see there's nothing I could do. And at that point, you know my foot
Tayson: box was I'd say compromised and I had colder feet the rest of that night. Because of because of that because there's so much commentation inside it was raining. It rained halfway through the night so everything's soaking wet so much more moisture and then it turns to snow sags down and now I've got a full box. That's just been compromised and cold feet. Yeah, you basically.
Brigham: Basically had snow sitting on top of your feet. Yeah.
Brigham: In my tent. I had a good pitch but I still was constantly having to bang snow off the top because what would happen is the pressure of the snow, once it weighed down enough to start touching me, that would wake me up and I bang it off and it would all sign off. But like you basically had Snow sitting on top of your feet. The only thing was like a layer of 10d nylon and the layer of 15 that Denial on,
Brigham: you know, very thin nylon fabric basically between you and the snow. So you basically, you know, you had ice all around your feet. So, It's a great example. of you know what, the point I'm getting at is these are Their like full proof water resistant, not just water resistant, like they just can't they can't be compromised in terms of moisture. So like in the very first lady
Tayson: why that is to really quick, I just want to simplify down for people to
Brigham: just don't understand that too. Okay so the so the installation we use is 80% synthetic insulation. Synthetic insulation is made of polyester polyester hydrophobic it can't it doesn't absorb water and Because it doesn't absorb water it also. So that means it maintains its Loft. So the weight of water because it doesn't absorb it, it doesn't Pick up or bring on the weight of the water around it so it doesn't collapse. The insulation, The Loft. Is what keeps your body warm. So
Brigham: the synthetic insulation With the 20% down. It keeps the down Loft at all the time, because it's lofted and they're all, you know, it's all touching and holding each other up. So, The insulation. Can't collapse or compress on you from moisture?
Tayson: So, back here saying though, is because of that. It's very full proof, message to just keep your feet warm all the time. Even if you were to accidentally bump it up against the side of a tent or be going on a multi-day trip, where there's a lot of condensation involved, or whether you're putting your socks, your say damp socks in the bottom of your foot box. You're like, well why would you ever put wet socks on and go to bed? Well,
Tayson: sometimes going to wake up in the morning and not have what socks to start hiking with, right? So if you wear them throughout the night, you'll drive those socks out. Well, sometimes you have to make a call, do I want to like have colder feet going to bed, but hopefully dry Socks by morning. Or I want to take off my wet socks, and just have to put on wet socks, again, in the morning. And by having these loftech LoftTek hybrid
Tayson: rather, you could put a damp sock in there. And go to bed and your feet would be warm. And you would have dry Socks by the morning. And you just have to worry about compromising the down in that in that booty. So, definitely just a very foolproof method to be able to keep your feet warm. As far as the application goes, I would just second what you were saying. You know, rain. We had a lot, a lot of experience with rain
Tayson: rain is definitely if I if there's rain in the forecast definitely I'm going to look a lot heavier at bringing these So many more variables that can, that can happen in the rain and these just provide that extra comfort and extra piece of mind to whether that's dry and gear out or just if something did get compromised, you you know, it's going to help you sleep better. Obviously, like winter time, snow situations or just colder temperatures in the fall, freezing temperatures.
Tayson: Yeah, freezing temperatures are getting down below freezing, another great time. And then all, just, if you're ever kind of stretching the limits of your bag, or maybe you're looking at adding, hey, I'm gonna sleep with the jacket on, you know, these would need to be a very important piece, because if you're, if you're coming in with that mentality, you don't want to layer up, your upper half your body and not your feet. So,
Brigham: yeah, and I would also kind of go back to the Rain, just to kind of some of the context to frame it for people specially. If there's people from like the South that are talking about rain, they're like Rain does not equate to freezing to me. So we're talking more in reference to rain in the Rocky Mountains, at high elevation. So it's we're talking low temperature range, like upper 30 just, you know, upper 30 degree temperatures and rain creates a very,
Brigham: very sketchy environment because soaking everything but the air is quite cold. We're not talking about 65 degree temperatures and rain. We're talking like upper 30s, lower 40s right up there over 10,000 feet elevation at or above the tree line. So in the middle of July or August, it's going to, you know, that it often freezes. So that's kind of the rain scenario that we're talking about. Just to kind of clarify that and and what other scenario
Tayson: that that I alluded to. I was going to tell story about earlier is, is I was actually up in Alaska and this is what pushed me to really like launch this into into full on designing and get this down. I feel like I came back from that trip because I we got to do something about this and kind of quit talking about it and get it done. So I was up in Alaska Last year. Me and my brother were up there.
Tayson: We got quite a few miles from camp and we needed to be back at this location in the morning as well and up there the nights were, you know, it only got dark like Three hours, maybe even less. So we're like, man, we can hike for three to four hours to get back to camp, sleep for a few hours and then hiked three to four hours to get back to where we're at, or we can just kind of put on all
Tayson: of our layers and stay out here. You know sleep on the side of this hill essentially and and then we're right back where we need to and that sounded a lot less exhausting and we just thought we could kind of tough it out. Well, in the process of us getting to where we decided to spend the night. My feet got wet. I'd say damn, maybe not like soaking wet but quite damp. And anyways, we layer up. Just totally fine. Like, my
Tayson: upper half was warm. My legs were pretty warm. My feet were ice cold because they had gotten damp. And I had an insulated pair of boots on and the problem is with Gore-Tex and stuff like that. Like You can't really push down moisture back out of the booty very well. Take long time, you know, waterproof breathable is not as breathable as you think, and it's only breathable to water, right? And that requires heat to push it out. Well, while you're sleeping,
Tayson: your feet are cold or really is just no heat to pushing moisture out. So I have, you know, wet to damp socks. My boots are wet and damp and And then on top of that too, we have this fog that rolls in. So this is kind of the other scenario is alluding to is it's not just rain but up there man we would get incredible amounts of fog at night. It was one of the coolest things to watch. But basically is
Tayson: that sun was starting to get really, really low. Something would happen with the weather where the wind would kind of shift, the temperatures would hit just right? And it would go and hit all these glacial lakes all over the tutorial where we were at. And it would just below fog right off the lakes. And then just this walls, the fog would start sweeping through and get everything it touched damp and wet. Like not a little bit but like, very damp and
Tayson: wet and then night and then it's night time and it's, you know, getting colder and it wasn't like freezing Tech temperatures or anything, but it was, it was cold. I would say like low 40s, maybe high 30s. On the colder side, but not not too a freezing temperatures yet. Anyways, I will go up After I fell asleep you know I had cold feet to fall asleep. Woke up in the middle of the night and I was my feet were so cold.
Tayson: I was like Delirious essentially got up. Walked around and circles for like 45 minutes just trying to warm up my feet. It was just it was a terrible situation. Whereas if I you know, it had these booties, Special out there because I was carrying a lot more emergency and extra gear because of the scenario, we were in. We weren't by roads or Trails. We literally dropped off in the middle of nowhere. And so if I had had something like these booties
Tayson: with me that I Could it would have been the difference of me sleeping through that night having a good night or what actually happened which is actually mean not getting good. Sleep at all and and getting frostbite. So for about the next month, my toes on one of my feet. From the foot. I had had frostbite on previously, lost feeling and were numb. So, like a mild case of a frostbite that I got in my toes from that night. And I
Tayson: came back from that just thinking, man, we need, we need these and two, we need him to be LoftTek hybrid because typically, when you need something like this, not in every time, but there's a good chance that when you're needing something like this. That added moisture is this distance is really important, you know? It just is like so the ability to To. Have the puffy feet you know, puffy booties but all so with the moisture is just it's a massive
Tayson: Advantage. I feel like it would have Gave me a lot of headache and and discomfort that and on that trip in Alaska and just definitely other times throughout that I've used them. But yeah, that was just kind of a quick random story but definitely a use case scenario where They just would have paid for themselves over and over and over and over. but, Okay, well, I think we've done a really good job. Talking about the why and The applications. Maybe one
Tayson: thing we didn't specifically mention, they do come in three different sizes. So I want to check the sizing chart. They're all made with our same 10 year, nylon ripstop fabric that's in like a higher and sleeping bags. So they're super lightweight fabric with a dwr coating on them as well. But yeah, they're definitely more, simple piece, they're they're quite affordable. In fact, we're doing launch week. We're,
Tayson: I would, I don't know, 30, or 40, or so percent less than some of these other booties out there. And that's just again, comes down to our direct to Consumer business model. That's pretty advantageous as well, but definitely something you should pick up. There's been a ton of members liberals for like members, which for those who don't know, that's our store credit membership. 10 bucks a month, gets you to store or get you the membership and then you get ten dollars
Tayson: in credit every month and as well as just additional discounts invited into our Facebook group, you get You know, rebates on retail gear so and so forth. But we had a ton a ton of members use credit to buy these and they'll use that credit. I mean they're buying them 100% with credit which is which is cool but yeah, good time to go check out that membership to get those additional discounts but and all so a good time to go check
Tayson: out these booties because they will be on sale for another few days before we put them to the regular website price. So I think you're going to save 20 20-ish percent or so if you bought them during the launch. So something to not sit on for sure. But all right, what did we? What are we miss? Brigham or what are the
Brigham: thoughts we have on on? Them. Yeah, there's just, I just thought of something I do want to point out, you know, when, when I was kind of talking about, you know, extending your capability with what you already have, right? So, Of you, an idea. you know, the pair of I think of the medium booties for the pair is like three ounces. so, you know, if if you're somebody that gets cold feet but but don't really struggle with your, your core being
Brigham: cold. You know, try like get out there in some cold weather and go backpacking in the winter and for three ounces, I mean the little stuff sack. When these booties are in the stuff sack you can kind of just like squeeze it up into a fist. Like within your one hand they're they're tiny like they're super compressible and they're you know three ounces for the pair which You may have a pair of wool socks that weighs the same, but these are
Brigham: exponentially warmer than the wool socks, right? So elaborate on that, because I think that's something to note
Tayson: wool is just inherently more heavy. It's a denser fiber and stuff and then you're going to get in a puffy socks like this. But just talk about kind of the bulk versus the warmth versus the weight in a heavy set of wool, socks for these
Brigham: Yeah. I mean for a pair of wool socks. Let's just hypothetically, say you manufactured, a pair of wool socks that was equal and warmth to these. The wool socks would be like incredibly thick and you know and and and heavy like four times, I mean, it would really have to be a very thick heavy pair of socks that again is probably once you do the sock roll thing like the size of a football you know, like
Brigham: Really to make a pair of wool socks as warm as, you know, booties like this. And then they would weigh three or four times as much. So like this isn't a knock on wall socks. We'll socks are very versatile. They're great I use will socks but if it's you know, if the sole purpose is to just keep my feet warm like this is it's a no-brainer to throw this in the pack for a trip where there's a reasonable chance for freezing
Brigham: temperatures cold temperatures. So it's just one of the point out. It's like a three ounce. Little package here that really does extend your, your, your your comfort range and the seasonality that you can get out there and get after it.
Tayson: Yeah. Yeah, I think that's a really good thing to note because that's most people's default is just to bring an extra pair of wool socks or a heavier set pair of wool socks. But there's not a comparison really here to to dive into, so, Yeah. Something to think about the one other thought that I had about that too. Was this? A lot of times I always say that I bring two extras on a trip that I rotate my socks and my
Tayson: underwear. And I end up. Not rotating my socks. When I bring these. So a lot of times these will actually just take the place of a set of rules for me. These are my sleeping socks and then I've got my hiking socks during the day or some, some combination of that, but that's just another way to look at it, too. If you want to shave, you know, not don't want to add weight to your pack with you had, you know, roughly
Tayson: three ounces without the stuff sack. Let's say. To your pack. If you pulled out a pair of wool socks, chances are even like a pair of just Darn Tough, even lower cut, socks are comparable to three ounces. I don't know exactly what they're off, top my head, but you would almost net out but you'd have way warmer feet to sleep. It's so just another way to look at it and something that I personally do rotate and look at as well. So
Tayson: Okay, that was good. I think that that was pretty comprehensive. I think it showed a lot of good application. I do think it's just some, an extremely versatile piece. That's good to have in your gear closet. It might not come with you on every single trip. but, Man, the trips that you Brigham on, they're worth their weight in gold. I think I mentioned in a video that I would have paid like 500 plus dollars that have those that night in
Tayson: Alaska. Like if someone had them on the side of that Hill that night, man, I would have, I would have given a lot to have them, so they're marginally. They're, there's something that would just be a great thing to to have in your gear closet for for different trips and different applications. So okay, we have a ton coming up on the little flight podcast. We've got, we've got like four trip videos or trip podcasts with the we'll have groups. You know
Tayson: the whole team in here that was it was doing the Hardline challenge with us in here and talking about how these trips went. They were epic trips. So much happened on them and a lot of fun was had and a lot of Difficulties were overcome and face down. So, you're going to want to pay attention to those. We also have a big product launch coming in early, September, followed by additional product launches just ongoing. So we're also going to be adding
Tayson: some things to the Gear store to the retail side in the next couple of months. So again, those of you that aren't level flight members, you can still have access to those, but you get discounts and rebates on the retail side of things, if you are a little like member so you get massive Savings. In fact, One of the best ways to use the membership is because it's only 10 bucks a month, right? One of the best ways is just to
Tayson: look at it as the backpacking food fund, because you can buy Peak reseal from us or even Mountain houses at a 10% discount Plus You get a dollar or so, back on our rebate, just goes back in the store credit. And so at the end of the day, you get the cheapest, backpacking food. You can buy free shipping, you know what I mean? There's no additional charges with shipping or anything like that, and so there's been a lot of use I've
Tayson: seen lately in even using the liberal membership as a food fund. But anyways, make sure you're subscribed to the podcast because we have some awesome content, coming some awesome, new products, awesome trip Recaps and just lots to cover. So make sure you subscribe if you would. Also, please share this, but more importantly, rape, this and review this on whatever podcasting platform you To and with that, we'll catch you guys on the next episode.
